Drew discusses ideas such as imposter syndrome, which we, as everyday people, may have dealt with, Riaz says. “She’s opening up about herself, which is another key thing… It’s quite authentic when it’s two ways, when you’re getting something from Drew [and] from her guests as well.” This revelatory double whammy The Drew Barrymore Show twice as irresistible, especially if you’re on board with the eyeball-to-eyeball, touchy-feely vibe, of course.

Her willingness to (over)share doesn’t resonate with all viewers, however. A common criticism is that The Drew Barrymore Show just ends up being about Drew Barrymore, such is her eagerness to provide anecdotes that chime with those of her guests. Her rationale is that this puts the proceedings on a more equal footing – she doesn’t want to feel like she’s sitting here asking questions and not revealing anything about herself, she told fellow host Jimmy Fallon recently.

Sometimes the hugging and handholding “can be quite cringe”, Riaz says, but she also reckons that’s what the public wants to see and hear; we want to be reminded that celebrities are imperfect and human. She’s convinced that Barrymore’s authenticity is, well, authentic, rather than a cynical act – and it’s not hard to agree. As The New Yorker’s Rachel Syme wrote last year: “If [Barrymore’s] off-the-cuff irrepressibility is an act, then it’s [her] best performance.” And if it’s a bit chaotic, a form of emotional whiplash, that’s “because that’s like life”, Barrymore reckons. “The heavier it gets, the more you want to laugh.”

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