Rather than sitting down with her usual go-to subjects, fellow notable women, Meghan extends a microphone to three significant men in media: Trevor Noah, Andy Cohen and Judd Apatow.

This surprising shift came from none other than Meghan’s husband, Harry, with the prince offering some words of advice that caused her to think about changing up the format for an affecting final episode.

“It was important to us that women have a space to share their authentic and complicated complex and dynamic experiences to be heard and to be understood,” Meghan said. “But through that process it also occurred to me, and truth be told at the suggestion of my husband, that if we really want to shift how we think about gender and the limiting labels that we separate people into, then we have to broaden the conversation.”

It’s an interesting concept, especially for a podcast that up until now has aimed to amplify the voices of other women and keep the conversation in-house. But there is certainly value in this change, especially when we look at the selection of guests.

Andy Cohen, most famously known as the executive producer for The Real Housewives reality show phenomenon, and Judd Apatow, a noted comedy director and screenwriter, have both made their careers by working with stories and plots that involve women.

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