The podcast host was referencing Elizabeth Day’s talk earlier in the show, where she had said a lot of people are craving an outlet for failure.

Agreeing with the statement, Frances-White said that every time we do something, we put ourselves into two categories: worthy or unworthy, and competent and incompetent. She went on to share her advice for how to tackle feelings of being unworthy or incompetent.

“Rather than going into something thinking ‘if I don’t get this, I’ve failed’, go into it saying that you’re going to give it a try,” she said.

Deborah Frances-White shares the most perfect advice on how to stop being afraid of failure