Last night (14 December), the singer opened up a bit more about her fascination with turning 31 during an interview on Jimmy Kimmel Live!.

“Until I turn 113 or 131 this will be the highlight of my life,” she joked. “The numerology thing sort of, when it doesn’t take over on its own, I sort of force it to happen. Like, with folklore and evermore, there are 16 tracks on folklore and there are 15 tracks on evermore. Add them up, what do you get? 31. Which in my mind is just the opposite, it’s 13 backwards. That’s all that 31 is to me.”

In a society that puts so much pressure on “30 things to do before turning 30” and hitting certain career, family and money milestones, it’s refreshing to hear Swift embracing turning 31 with a fun narrative.

Taylor Swift has a refreshing take on the “turning 31” narrative