Talking about her new relationship with Teddy Kwo, she says: “I didn’t really realise how our relationship was until I got with Teddy and I was like, ‘Oh, this is actual happiness’. For the first time I was like I’d go anywhere with him.”

Describing the fulfillment she now feels, Ditto adds: “The feeling of being happy. You know, like genuine.

“And the other thing is me realising I’d never had that feeling before. I’ve been in love, I know what it feels like to be in love and how warm and beautiful and terrifying that feeling is, but I never realised that love shouldn’t be terrifying. You shouldn’t be constantly afraid to lose it.”

Beth Ditto is the next guest on the Changes with Annie Macmanus podcast, which you can listen to on Spotify and Apple Podcasts from Monday 5 October.

Beth Ditto explains the reality of marrying and divorcing her best friend